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The way people think about changing conditions is about an individual who experiences something and, and what can we do for that individual. Whether it is providing public defense or creating better conditions in detention centers or prisons, or, let's do what we can for this individual deportation defense campaign, or these individual conditions that this person is in. But they fail to see the way the system plays a role…I think what was so important about 2020 and the abolitionist moment is that it was, opening people's eyes to the systemic questions.

Silky Shah joins us to discuss her new book from Haymarket Books, Unbuild Walls: Why Immigrant Justice Needs Abolition.

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