If you talk to, to reformers they will tell you, "culture eats policy for breakfast." If you don't change the culture, no amount of policy reform and training or even accountability is going to fix it. For decades now, changing the culture of policing is part of the goal of reformers, and the question is, why do they keep failing at it?
Sociologist Michelle Phelps joins us to discuss her book, The Minneapolis Reckoning: Race, Violence, and the Politics of Policing in America.