We have to consider that we are vulnerable to the forces of culture, so that we can protect ourselves, and also just to understand that when we are thinking about the ways we are shaped as a country, it is not about ideas, but very much about culturally-driven power.

Author Nato Thompson explains how art and culture became a weapon aimed at the public - by expanding the influence of the powerful across society, and revealing the deeply emotional dimension to life and politics long concealed by liberal appeals to rationalism - and what Roger Ailes understands about human nature that Plato just couldn't get.

Nato is author of Culture as Weapon: The Art of Influence in Everyday Life from Melville House.

Interview transcript via Antidote Zine